1 00:00:03,17 --> 00:00:07,21 Call the meeting to order of those so it was part planning commission meeting of 2 00:00:08,19 --> 00:00:14,22 ours nineteen twenty fifteen please call the roll link are here Johnson minutes and 3 00:00:14,49 --> 00:00:21,40 here are these feeling Richard person here called Robertson here Joe tell 4 00:00:21,41 --> 00:00:27,98 of each. Year thank you next item is approval of the minutes 5 00:00:28,03 --> 00:00:33,82 from August fifth twenty fifteen. Questions. 6 00:00:37,29 --> 00:00:42,55 I'll second moved and seconded all those that favor say aye. Opposed 7 00:00:44,94 --> 00:00:50,74 OK we have to public hearings this evening. On the first item 8 00:00:51,55 --> 00:00:57,41 is the conditional use permit for excavation for the outdoor recreation complex at 9 00:00:57,42 --> 00:01:04,04 the rec center. Thank you Mr 10 00:01:04,36 --> 00:01:07,38 members of the commission the application before you today to submitted by the City 11 00:01:07,39 --> 00:01:13,46 St Louis Park Mr Jason as old as the recreation center manager he is also the 12 00:01:13,47 --> 00:01:17,50 project manager and he is in attendance tonight to answer any questions you have 13 00:01:17,51 --> 00:01:22,34 about the project itself otherwise will continue with the review of the conditions 14 00:01:22,35 --> 00:01:27,99 permit which is to excavate approximately seven thousand cubic yards of soil the 15 00:01:28,00 --> 00:01:32,46 site for the construction of an outdoor recreation center the location of the 16 00:01:32,47 --> 00:01:37,12 property is thirty seven hundred Monterey drive take 17 00:01:37,12 --> 00:01:41,30 a look at the aerial photo we do show the site I'm here on the south side of thirty 18 00:01:41,32 --> 00:01:46,65 six St It is of course the recreation center property which in clue director should 19 00:01:46,66 --> 00:01:53,07 center itself and our fourth park the outdoor recreation center that is proposed to 20 00:01:53,08 --> 00:01:57,08 be constructed will be located on the west side of the recreation center where the 21 00:01:57,09 --> 00:02:03,46 skate park is currently located the property is guided in the comprehensive plan as 22 00:02:03,47 --> 00:02:08,33 park an open space it is owned park and open space and it is part of the Wolf Park 23 00:02:08,34 --> 00:02:13,30 neighborhood. Well we do right now is just Pozen talk 24 00:02:13,31 --> 00:02:16,91 a little bit about the complex itself while the kind of the construction of the 25 00:02:16,92 --> 00:02:21,76 complex is not does not require conditions permit or any other type of review by 26 00:02:21,77 --> 00:02:25,63 the Planning Commission to council the optician again before each name is 27 00:02:25,64 --> 00:02:29,84 a condition is just to excavate approximately seven thousand cubic yards of 28 00:02:29,85 --> 00:02:31,49 material but or take 29 00:02:31,50 --> 00:02:37,43 a moment to review the complex just to kind of frame the the project itself 30 00:02:38,62 --> 00:02:39,01 so this is 31 00:02:39,02 --> 00:02:43,33 a view of the complex looking south from thirty six streets and in front of the 32 00:02:43,34 --> 00:02:45,00 recreation center after 33 00:02:45,01 --> 00:02:49,43 a lot is the recreation center itself now after the very right is that there is six 34 00:02:49,44 --> 00:02:55,29 park permits kind of shaded in and in between and that is the project we are 35 00:02:55,30 --> 00:03:00,26 proposing an addition to the recreation center which comprises of two levels on the 36 00:03:00,27 --> 00:03:03,94 lower level we have locker room storage areas and up above there is 37 00:03:03,95 --> 00:03:09,29 a positive area the ice rink itself which is the main feature of the project is 38 00:03:09,30 --> 00:03:11,89 located in the center does have 39 00:03:11,90 --> 00:03:16,53 a covered canopy over the ice rink but again no walls or anything like that it is 40 00:03:16,54 --> 00:03:22,75 open air to the sides and then between the ice rink and the apartments to the west 41 00:03:22,76 --> 00:03:22,98 there is 42 00:03:22,99 --> 00:03:29,52 a small parking lot so looking at it from above again we see there is six to eight 43 00:03:29,53 --> 00:03:34,54 after the top of the page recreation center to the right swimming pool to the south 44 00:03:35,30 --> 00:03:40,21 the additions located in this area the ice rink in the middle and in the parking 45 00:03:40,22 --> 00:03:44,98 lot after the West and again kind of broadening out 46 00:03:44,99 --> 00:03:48,85 a little bit and look at it in context of the aerial photo where the rec center 47 00:03:48,90 --> 00:03:53,79 swimming pool thirty six Street the project is outlined in the white area here now 48 00:03:53,80 --> 00:03:58,08 after the worst we start to see basically the easterly wall of the thirty six parks 49 00:03:58,33 --> 00:04:00,54 apartment building and we're there to do is take 50 00:04:00,55 --> 00:04:04,21 a moment Pozen look at that area right now. This is 51 00:04:04,22 --> 00:04:08,61 a street view taken from thirty six Street looking south again thirty six Park 52 00:04:08,65 --> 00:04:14,02 apartments after the right. The entry to the rec center properties here the skate 53 00:04:14,03 --> 00:04:18,07 park is located in the center of the screen and then here is 54 00:04:18,08 --> 00:04:21,93 a hill leading up to the rec center which is where the ice rink will be located 55 00:04:24,27 --> 00:04:24,70 let's talk 56 00:04:24,71 --> 00:04:27,22 a little bit about the buffer zone area between the apartment building and the 57 00:04:27,23 --> 00:04:29,30 proposed complex we see there is 58 00:04:29,31 --> 00:04:33,66 a trail that leads from thirty six Street back to the wealth Park and from that 59 00:04:33,67 --> 00:04:35,19 trail the gray does go up to 60 00:04:35,20 --> 00:04:40,04 a retaining wall which is part of the thirty six Park apartment complex the area's 61 00:04:40,05 --> 00:04:44,71 primarily mowed landscape area but there are several large mature trees that help 62 00:04:44,72 --> 00:04:50,56 with the screening from the residential area to the west and to the skate park to 63 00:04:50,57 --> 00:04:57,53 the east as part of the project we are proposing to keep 64 00:04:57,53 --> 00:05:02,53 those existing trees I saw on the previous view and Hance the buffer with more 65 00:05:02,55 --> 00:05:09,25 landscaping. Besides edition of several shrubs. For study purposes we are 66 00:05:09,26 --> 00:05:15,08 proposing to add ten conifer trees and six deciduous trees typically in 67 00:05:15,09 --> 00:05:19,63 a project we see conifer trees in the six foot eight foot range the trees propose 68 00:05:19,64 --> 00:05:24,60 we planted here ten feet tall so we're bigger than we typically see Likewise with 69 00:05:24,61 --> 00:05:28,40 the deciduous trees we typically see but we'll have inches in diameter for calipers 70 00:05:29,08 --> 00:05:32,69 they're proposing three inches and the purpose for that is to get 71 00:05:32,70 --> 00:05:36,60 a jump on the screen and buffer in between the apartment building and the parking 72 00:05:36,61 --> 00:05:43,16 lot for this complex So again we have sixteen trees being planted in here addition 73 00:05:43,17 --> 00:05:46,80 to that the typical landscaping trees that we see on the islands and landscaping in 74 00:05:46,81 --> 00:05:52,63 the parking lot itself plus some additional trees around the parking lot. Between 75 00:05:52,64 --> 00:05:56,82 the ice rink and the parking that we're seeing several foundation plantings. 76 00:06:03,13 --> 00:06:05,70 I took an exhibit from the apartment complex which shows 77 00:06:05,71 --> 00:06:12,64 a profile of the apartment complex itself and the rec center property to the 78 00:06:12,65 --> 00:06:18,21 east and the advantage of this is the shows the great change from the trail that we 79 00:06:18,22 --> 00:06:25,21 showed earlier in the street view up to the deck level of the apartment complex and 80 00:06:25,22 --> 00:06:29,95 what we see in this is that first half the distance between the trail and that 81 00:06:30,33 --> 00:06:36,35 patio level is sixty one feet. The great change is eight feet nine inches from the 82 00:06:36,36 --> 00:06:40,20 paddy from the trail up to the top there to new Moss who got a bit of 83 00:06:40,21 --> 00:06:43,52 a grade change which I think worked see vanish at the apartment complex for 84 00:06:43,53 --> 00:06:48,57 screening. And then of course in the series here are the large trees that exist 85 00:06:48,58 --> 00:06:52,25 today along with the proposed trees as part of this project 86 00:06:57,26 --> 00:06:59,08 so I'd like to know switch gears and talk 87 00:06:59,09 --> 00:07:04,32 a little bit about the excavation and some of these exhibits are in your. Packet 88 00:07:04,36 --> 00:07:07,82 that was delivered to you early but will start out with the existing conditions 89 00:07:07,83 --> 00:07:11,87 again we're thirty six street to the north recreation centers after the right of 90 00:07:11,88 --> 00:07:17,45 the page the skate park is located here the drive file from three sixty eight into 91 00:07:17,46 --> 00:07:21,02 the park area and then of course the hill that we talked about that will be 92 00:07:21,03 --> 00:07:22,58 excavated for the X. 93 00:07:22,62 --> 00:07:29,34 Ice rink stormwater will be accommodated for the site by 94 00:07:29,57 --> 00:07:35,53 using underground tanks located beneath the parking lot the stormwater is sized. To 95 00:07:35,55 --> 00:07:37,67 take on more than just this site so there will be 96 00:07:37,68 --> 00:07:44,60 a credit for the recreation center for future improvements the whole road itself is 97 00:07:44,61 --> 00:07:51,38 pretty simple utilizing thirty sixty to one hundred yes 98 00:07:51,39 --> 00:07:55,26 vision details include twelve days of grading for the site approximately seven 99 00:07:55,27 --> 00:07:58,98 thousand cubic yards of material to be removed the whole in will take place over 100 00:07:58,99 --> 00:08:04,35 five days and will involve about one hundred trucks per day as city code does allow 101 00:08:04,36 --> 00:08:08,70 construction activity from the hours of seven AM to ten pm on weekdays and nine AM 102 00:08:08,71 --> 00:08:13,60 to ten pm on holidays and weekends. A neighborhood meeting was conducted on 103 00:08:13,61 --> 00:08:17,66 Wednesday August twelfth there were four people in attendance at that meeting and 104 00:08:17,67 --> 00:08:22,94 a couple of questions and concerns were raised. Mostly about the complex itself not 105 00:08:22,95 --> 00:08:27,17 so much about the conditions permit that's for you tonight. But those two on the 106 00:08:27,18 --> 00:08:29,70 screen lighting impacts to thirty six park 107 00:08:30,47 --> 00:08:35,50 a lighting plan was submitted to the city that's currently being reviewed and will 108 00:08:35,71 --> 00:08:35,88 make 109 00:08:35,89 --> 00:08:42,05 a just with adjustments as necessary to that plan. And also noise impacts to surrounding 110 00:08:42,06 --> 00:08:46,17 properties you'll notice in the recommendations to you tonight that there is 111 00:08:46,18 --> 00:08:49,47 a condition that a regulator may be attached to the P.A. 112 00:08:49,48 --> 00:08:56,38 System going back to this project you'll see that again it's an open 113 00:08:56,39 --> 00:09:00,64 air facility. So there may be some concerns that the P.A. 114 00:09:00,65 --> 00:09:06,06 System utilized in the right area may violate the noise limits at the property line 115 00:09:06,48 --> 00:09:10,99 so the regulator would prevent that no matter what they do in here for the activity 116 00:09:11,48 --> 00:09:14,85 they would not be allowed to get so loud as to violate city code at that time 117 00:09:20,25 --> 00:09:23,78 so based on that review staff is recommending approval of the commissioner's permit 118 00:09:23,79 --> 00:09:27,57 to allow the excavation of approximately seven thousand cubic yards of material 119 00:09:27,61 --> 00:09:31,38 with the committee with the conditions as recommended by staff that the conditions 120 00:09:31,39 --> 00:09:34,71 are included in your staff report and they're pretty standard for this type of 121 00:09:34,72 --> 00:09:40,24 activity there are some exhibits that are required to be adhered to again the 122 00:09:40,25 --> 00:09:44,82 regulator being installed on the outer sound system to prevent the system from 123 00:09:44,83 --> 00:09:50,49 exceeding the maximums allowed by code and that all necessary permits peer applied 124 00:09:50,50 --> 00:09:57,36 for and received we do have the truck route to use in. Thirty six street and would 125 00:09:57,56 --> 00:10:03,57 have an entirely hundred and finally that the activity the streets be cleaned 126 00:10:03,62 --> 00:10:10,31 during the holiday activities as I mentioned just now is all to the recreation 127 00:10:10,32 --> 00:10:13,49 center manager is here to answer any questions for you other net I'll take any 128 00:10:13,50 --> 00:10:19,95 questions that you have for me Mr Chair Mr Johnson motion. Security 129 00:10:20,62 --> 00:10:26,10 I missed the first three or four sentences of your presentation as I was reading 130 00:10:26,11 --> 00:10:31,93 something else here and how did this project how does this project get approved 131 00:10:31,94 --> 00:10:36,43 it's approved how did it or it's going to be approved in this is just I know this 132 00:10:36,44 --> 00:10:42,46 is just for the conditional use permit but the project so is in the park an open 133 00:10:42,47 --> 00:10:45,75 space district and Recreation Center is 134 00:10:45,76 --> 00:10:49,63 a permitted use in that district so this project is loved by 135 00:10:49,64 --> 00:10:54,66 a building permit only so it's going through that process plans haven't been 136 00:10:54,67 --> 00:10:55,09 submitted for 137 00:10:55,10 --> 00:11:01,49 a building permit yet. But it has been reviewed by the city council in study 138 00:11:01,50 --> 00:11:04,42 sessions and as I mentioned earlier there was 139 00:11:04,43 --> 00:11:09,39 a neighborhood meeting for the project itself really for the condition is permanent 140 00:11:09,40 --> 00:11:14,63 but it was not too early for to come out and see what's being built I was at study 141 00:11:14,64 --> 00:11:20,48 session where this was presented by Eric to the city council and we had an awful 142 00:11:20,49 --> 00:11:26,99 lot of hockey people there. Where are you coming of up 143 00:11:27,00 --> 00:11:33,85 with the use of this particular So we're talking about this space can also be used 144 00:11:33,86 --> 00:11:38,58 for other activities such as craft fairs pet Expos dog training and so forth 145 00:11:38,59 --> 00:11:44,06 farmers' markets I heard that mentioned in passing at that study session but the 146 00:11:44,07 --> 00:11:48,68 focus to me it looked like first of all they were looking for dollar some of the 147 00:11:48,69 --> 00:11:54,84 city is that correct is the city contributing to the cost of this order or the city 148 00:11:54,85 --> 00:11:59,29 is contributing to the cost of that and how much are the city contributing so I 149 00:11:59,30 --> 00:12:03,11 would have to defer that to Jason for don't teach it so we can ask him that 150 00:12:03,12 --> 00:12:09,19 whenever whenever Not right now but whenever the chair lets him OK So that would be 151 00:12:09,20 --> 00:12:14,42 a question and then. But I heard 152 00:12:14,46 --> 00:12:20,45 a lot of that this would mainly be used for sports of whatever kind so if we've got 153 00:12:20,80 --> 00:12:27,75 so not soccer but I think lacrosse was match and hockey and so forth so I have some 154 00:12:27,76 --> 00:12:33,55 concerns about that. Because we've already the rectory direct centers are already 155 00:12:33,56 --> 00:12:40,00 predominately you know hockey hockey hockey and I don't see much it's difficult to 156 00:12:40,01 --> 00:12:43,65 get skate time over there for your family and so for 157 00:12:43,66 --> 00:12:49,31 a soft Those are my concerns about the city spending money on additional additional 158 00:12:49,32 --> 00:12:55,84 dollars for. A facility that's going to be able to be used by 159 00:12:56,44 --> 00:13:00,74 all residents for the most parts far as I can tell unless there's some kind of 160 00:13:00,75 --> 00:13:05,79 provision we could and this is not the time for but I wanted in the minutes 161 00:13:05,80 --> 00:13:12,63 basically that I really think that. There needs to be. 162 00:13:13,70 --> 00:13:18,56 Preference given also for these different types of activities OK. 163 00:13:22,32 --> 00:13:28,25 Anybody else you're Herbert Mr Chairman. Gary I have 164 00:13:28,52 --> 00:13:33,44 a couple of questions here because it does not look as if there was going to be an 165 00:13:33,45 --> 00:13:36,40 opportunity for him put out 166 00:13:36,41 --> 00:13:42,89 a further time so again even though this is just regarding the movement of 167 00:13:43,12 --> 00:13:49,67 soil. So first well I guess no particular order was the 168 00:13:49,73 --> 00:13:54,60 requirements for parking determined was it only by the space available or was it 169 00:13:54,61 --> 00:13:55,86 determined by some kind of 170 00:13:55,87 --> 00:14:01,38 a formula as to the number of parking spaces that would be needed for any or all of 171 00:14:01,39 --> 00:14:05,42 the activities here I mean. The parking is 172 00:14:05,76 --> 00:14:08,91 a look at all the parking that's available for the rec center which is course the 173 00:14:08,92 --> 00:14:14,34 main parking lot of the rec center there are provided additional parking as noted 174 00:14:14,35 --> 00:14:20,86 on this drawing here between the hockey area and the apparent building to the west 175 00:14:21,64 --> 00:14:25,07 of the rec center also has overfull parking located on the north side of thirty 176 00:14:25,08 --> 00:14:30,72 sixty at the mall or US property or the property and also the rec center does 177 00:14:30,73 --> 00:14:35,93 benefit from parking arrangements over access and grand so there is ample parking 178 00:14:35,94 --> 00:14:39,25 for the rec center for all the activities that occur at the rec center sell for 179 00:14:39,26 --> 00:14:46,12 a lot of park and. So based on what I 180 00:14:46,13 --> 00:14:50,43 heard from you I'm going interpret that this was the amount of space that was 181 00:14:50,44 --> 00:14:56,96 available for parking. At this particular spot but there is sufficient parking 182 00:14:56,97 --> 00:15:01,06 available in the media here there is sufficient parking and the parking lot is 183 00:15:01,07 --> 00:15:07,71 constructed to the west of the facility is added because you know there is space 184 00:15:07,72 --> 00:15:12,56 for parking over there and it is more convenient but also you can directly access 185 00:15:12,57 --> 00:15:17,84 site through the rec center or walking around either one so if you park at the main 186 00:15:17,85 --> 00:15:21,13 parking lot you can walk through the facility through the rec center to get to the 187 00:15:21,14 --> 00:15:25,26 so you don't have to walk around it so that parking is still convenient and 188 00:15:25,27 --> 00:15:29,50 specially during the winter months if you don't want to walk around the building so 189 00:15:29,54 --> 00:15:33,91 converse Lay I'm hearing you talking from here into the rec center but also 190 00:15:33,92 --> 00:15:38,00 obviously from the rec center to here there's a page there's going to be 191 00:15:38,01 --> 00:15:44,76 a pass through yes OK Next question that they have this what the potential 192 00:15:44,77 --> 00:15:50,25 hours of operation here I know that the indoor hockey rink is going on 193 00:15:50,26 --> 00:15:55,74 a significant basis perhaps not twenty four by seven but certainly it opens early 194 00:15:55,75 --> 00:16:02,63 in this week what are the expected usage hours here both for hockey and for 195 00:16:02,67 --> 00:16:07,56 other activities. I will have to defer the question to Jason there are some 196 00:16:07,57 --> 00:16:12,08 limitations in code pertaining to Noise and things like that that they will have to 197 00:16:12,09 --> 00:16:16,14 hear just how is it into the later hours that will come into play but otherwise as 198 00:16:16,15 --> 00:16:20,91 far as the general activities OK the safest place and put that on your list and 199 00:16:20,92 --> 00:16:26,82 when you come up with talk to you about it. The next issue is. 200 00:16:28,34 --> 00:16:32,43 I guess the cell phone system and the sound system even though there is 201 00:16:32,44 --> 00:16:33,37 a governance of 202 00:16:33,38 --> 00:16:37,66 a loudspeaker system certainly it would appear as if there are going to be 203 00:16:37,67 --> 00:16:44,29 audiences there that will be sharing talking what ever at the time and certainly 204 00:16:44,30 --> 00:16:46,45 that's not controllable by a P. 205 00:16:46,66 --> 00:16:53,44 Ph system are all of the spectator locations going to be on the west side of 206 00:16:53,45 --> 00:17:00,41 this rink So certainly the the vocalizations will be carrying up towards the 207 00:17:00,42 --> 00:17:07,14 building perhaps we'll get some bounce back off of the rec center but are all the 208 00:17:07,15 --> 00:17:13,72 areas where there will be spectators going to be directed away from the 209 00:17:13,73 --> 00:17:19,59 apartment buildings here the bleachers are located on the east side of the rink 210 00:17:19,77 --> 00:17:24,24 right here between the addition and the rink itself so they are facing towards the 211 00:17:24,25 --> 00:17:30,76 west towards the apartment building. Going by experience with other facilities 212 00:17:30,99 --> 00:17:36,04 other school facilities football stadiums for example typically the complaints that 213 00:17:36,05 --> 00:17:37,86 we get are primarily from the P.A. 214 00:17:37,87 --> 00:17:43,63 System mostly granted the cheering and such can get loud so there's the music and 215 00:17:43,64 --> 00:17:48,76 the announcements that have to be louder than the cheering to be heard that we get 216 00:17:48,77 --> 00:17:54,19 the most complaints from OK well I am from one of the reasons why I'm asking these 217 00:17:54,20 --> 00:18:01,04 questions is that. It is in my community and I was the president of the 218 00:18:01,05 --> 00:18:07,23 association when they were developing various areas and there has been continuous 219 00:18:07,24 --> 00:18:13,99 complaints not just of the PH systems but the fact that the amount of noise that's 220 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:20,94 generated by the fan base spectators so. Next thing 221 00:18:21,24 --> 00:18:26,04 and this is I'm interested in the lighting. To start with the parking lots do we 222 00:18:26,05 --> 00:18:30,44 have an anticipation that these are going to be energy efficient L.E.D. 223 00:18:30,45 --> 00:18:37,40 Lights with some consideration for avoiding light pollution or what are 224 00:18:37,41 --> 00:18:44,34 we faced with in terms of the parking lot itself the lights in the parking 225 00:18:44,35 --> 00:18:47,48 lot and on the tests that building outside our L.E.D. 226 00:18:47,48 --> 00:18:52,75 . Fixtures OK that's efficient and then. 227 00:18:54,14 --> 00:18:57,03 There appears to be some type of 228 00:18:57,07 --> 00:19:02,56 a covering over this open area is that going to be 229 00:19:02,60 --> 00:19:09,25 a type of fabric that allows light to shine through it we saw that same situation 230 00:19:09,26 --> 00:19:10,85 with been held they wanted to build 231 00:19:10,86 --> 00:19:17,81 a dome and it was felt that having that glow directly outside 232 00:19:17,82 --> 00:19:23,02 of some houses on the horizon and certainly here if there's there's going to be 233 00:19:23,03 --> 00:19:23,74 that type of 234 00:19:23,75 --> 00:19:29,73 a glow it could be disruptive to the Park apartments What are we looking at there 235 00:19:29,74 --> 00:19:35,98 in terms of the covering and its translucency for like transfer I will defer to 236 00:19:35,99 --> 00:19:42,46 chase and when I write yes it's Andrea's list. Let's see 237 00:19:43,40 --> 00:19:45,07 looking ahead in 238 00:19:45,08 --> 00:19:51,15 a long term situation are there any plans immediately or for future development to 239 00:19:51,16 --> 00:19:58,15 have. Car chargers in this area as we begin to have more electric 240 00:19:58,16 --> 00:20:04,69 vehicles there are not on plan right now but again I'll defer to Jason and see if 241 00:20:04,70 --> 00:20:10,18 he has plans for that in the near future OK Certainly I'd recommend if you're not 242 00:20:10,19 --> 00:20:16,04 installing them today that you provide some type of an Access to be able to install 243 00:20:16,05 --> 00:20:20,64 it in the future as demand comes. Let's see. 244 00:20:23,02 --> 00:20:29,83 And so we have modulation of the speakers are this speakers then going to be 245 00:20:29,84 --> 00:20:35,20 directed away from the apartment towards where this stands are or are we going to 246 00:20:35,22 --> 00:20:39,79 see speakers broadcasting in all directions in this area 247 00:20:41,87 --> 00:20:44,24 again I will have cases and she sends 248 00:20:44,25 --> 00:20:53,91 a list. Did 249 00:20:53,92 --> 00:21:00,44 we have any definition for the hours of the hall and I didn't see it here sometimes 250 00:21:00,45 --> 00:21:06,80 it's best to fight within the permit request we did 251 00:21:06,81 --> 00:21:13,52 it's it's in the staff report it and it's on the screen for you and that's fine if 252 00:21:13,53 --> 00:21:17,39 if it's stated they just didn't see it and wanted to make sure that it was covered 253 00:21:17,39 --> 00:21:17,39 . 254 00:21:24,89 --> 00:21:31,86 Also in terms of the screening we're looking at the vegetation the landscaping 255 00:21:31,86 --> 00:21:37,32 that's been put in is that showing what the coverage is going to be today or is 256 00:21:37,33 --> 00:21:42,98 that the expectation of future growth when the conifers are more fully developed 257 00:21:42,99 --> 00:21:49,90 will we see immediate and complete screening of the light situation. I 258 00:21:49,91 --> 00:21:56,00 was over by Trader Joes and saw that the lights coming out of their parking lot are 259 00:21:56,02 --> 00:22:00,21 shining up into the building and that's really not adequate in my opinion and I 260 00:22:00,22 --> 00:22:01,97 want to make sure that we're dressing this 261 00:22:01,98 --> 00:22:06,94 a head of time and not expecting to grow into this in fifteen or twenty years 262 00:22:07,38 --> 00:22:14,37 what's your expectation the detail that was presented does allow for some growth I 263 00:22:14,38 --> 00:22:17,60 want to look at the landscape in fans who want to see what it will look like when 264 00:22:17,61 --> 00:22:23,47 it's at once mature and that way were not overcrowding the site and just 265 00:22:23,54 --> 00:22:26,86 prematurely killed trees through overcrowding so we'll take 266 00:22:26,86 --> 00:22:30,88 a little time to take full effect but again they are putting in ten foot conifers 267 00:22:30,97 --> 00:22:37,71 and larger situates trees to help with that in the immediate need OK thank you very 268 00:22:37,72 --> 00:22:44,60 much thank you Mr Chair. Thank you Mr Chair I apologize I had to come here 269 00:22:44,61 --> 00:22:48,73 from someplace else for I apologized my fellow commissioners and I missed the 270 00:22:48,74 --> 00:22:53,13 present ation so I apologize if this is something you've already answered but I'm 271 00:22:53,17 --> 00:22:59,18 curious as to what goes where between the rec center and the. 272 00:23:00,67 --> 00:23:05,16 The new facility and for example I'm thinking about. 273 00:23:08,07 --> 00:23:09,93 That so much team sports but 274 00:23:11,10 --> 00:23:16,58 a pool with an adult lab swimming open figure skating for people who aren't on 275 00:23:16,59 --> 00:23:21,73 teams how does the art of the two facilities relate to each other what goes where. 276 00:23:23,61 --> 00:23:28,28 Essentially on the screen right now I have the layout of the complex I look at here 277 00:23:28,29 --> 00:23:31,97 again we are three sixty eight on the top of the page the rec center as it exists 278 00:23:31,97 --> 00:23:37,85 today the swimming pool to the south we have the in addition to the rec center rec 279 00:23:37,86 --> 00:23:43,61 center located here which is primarily locker rooms and storage facilities up above 280 00:23:43,63 --> 00:23:43,81 there is 281 00:23:43,83 --> 00:23:49,82 a plaza area which leads down to the bleachers at overlook the the Right now it's 282 00:23:49,82 --> 00:23:54,63 shown as a hockey rink but again it's an activity area to the west of that we have 283 00:23:54,64 --> 00:23:59,17 a parking lot and that's the extent of the complex that's been proposed the 284 00:23:59,18 --> 00:24:04,76 swimming pool will remain unaltered So it is as it will be as it is today but 285 00:24:04,77 --> 00:24:09,39 that's the extent of the improvements we have the locker rooms and closet area. The 286 00:24:09,40 --> 00:24:14,42 activity area and parking lot will there be ice skating in the other activity or 287 00:24:14,43 --> 00:24:19,100 you are hockey will there be an ice rink there during the winter months there will 288 00:24:20,01 --> 00:24:24,20 be an ice rink there in the purpose of this facility with 289 00:24:24,21 --> 00:24:29,35 a cover over it is to extend the season into the spring and started early in the 290 00:24:29,36 --> 00:24:33,23 fall as long as weather is cooperation of course but it will help even with the 291 00:24:33,24 --> 00:24:38,49 weather of revenue and is that exclusively for hockey or would there. Figure 292 00:24:38,50 --> 00:24:44,17 skaters be able to use it I would have to defer to Jason who is the the manager of 293 00:24:44,18 --> 00:24:47,42 the facility so I'll be able to talk about the activities of train at sight Thank 294 00:24:47,43 --> 00:24:54,08 you Commissioner records. In the view looking 295 00:24:54,09 --> 00:25:00,83 so that behind the fireplace there is the brick wall 296 00:25:01,13 --> 00:25:07,36 I was just wondering what is the purpose of the brick wall there the brick wall 297 00:25:07,37 --> 00:25:13,37 itself it is part of the exterior wall of the first level it extends up again to to 298 00:25:13,38 --> 00:25:16,68 basically act as a 299 00:25:16,79 --> 00:25:20,70 a wall for the plaza up above the bleachers I don't look at it directly behind it 300 00:25:21,45 --> 00:25:25,100 any other purpose for it I guess Jason can address that and on one elevation they 301 00:25:26,01 --> 00:25:28,33 propose a little signage on their identifying it as 302 00:25:28,34 --> 00:25:33,72 a recreation outer occasion area but you know that's to be determined I guess as 303 00:25:33,74 --> 00:25:38,17 far as what that will be on that wall. But other than that Jason can speak towards 304 00:25:38,18 --> 00:25:42,80 that thank you anyone else 305 00:25:45,30 --> 00:25:45,51 I have 306 00:25:45,52 --> 00:25:52,71 a couple of very. Again not in any particular order. Will 307 00:25:52,72 --> 00:25:59,47 there be now. Any direct access to the pool area from the new parking lot or you 308 00:25:59,48 --> 00:26:04,52 know still have to go through the rec center to get to the pool I will have to 309 00:26:04,53 --> 00:26:08,86 defer to Jason but that one on Jason's list the hockey rink. 310 00:26:11,47 --> 00:26:17,44 You mentioned that it will have extended period of usage which means I assume that 311 00:26:17,45 --> 00:26:23,40 it's going to have to have coils under it and that there will be be possible to use 312 00:26:23,41 --> 00:26:24,60 it as a hockey rink for 313 00:26:24,75 --> 00:26:31,03 a good six months or more answer that one and will 314 00:26:31,48 --> 00:26:37,38 will the hockey. I assume the hockey boards will not be permanent so that they can 315 00:26:37,39 --> 00:26:43,92 be removed to use that area of the entire area and I 316 00:26:44,22 --> 00:26:49,84 also therefore assume that the that the hockey rink surface will be at the same 317 00:26:49,85 --> 00:26:54,67 grade as the rest of the. Floor there. 318 00:27:01,36 --> 00:27:08,23 It was mentioned to about parking and. It would seem that now 319 00:27:08,26 --> 00:27:15,03 it will be possible to have three hockey games tournaments whatever going on at the 320 00:27:15,04 --> 00:27:21,97 same time because we're going to have three. Rinks no and that that could attract 321 00:27:21,97 --> 00:27:28,94 a considerable number of participants and sans such that. Overflow 322 00:27:28,95 --> 00:27:32,43 parking would would have to come into play it would it would seem 323 00:27:33,38 --> 00:27:34,11 a particular If there's 324 00:27:34,12 --> 00:27:39,66 a large tournament that lasted you know like four days which they can't and I would 325 00:27:39,67 --> 00:27:43,43 assume that the rec center in the Hockey Association are going to want to do that 326 00:27:43,81 --> 00:27:44,42 now that they have 327 00:27:44,43 --> 00:27:51,42 a better. Improved facility here. The other one might ask 328 00:27:51,54 --> 00:27:57,92 Seanad Gary about. Mr Carper brought up the new old 329 00:27:58,30 --> 00:28:04,27 and we had this very same issues there. Particular about lighting and noise and 330 00:28:04,28 --> 00:28:11,06 perhaps other related issues and and how that. Is How's it working and been 331 00:28:11,07 --> 00:28:12,13 held as 332 00:28:12,14 --> 00:28:24,37 a comparison to so how these issues may play out at this site. Well 333 00:28:24,79 --> 00:28:27,56 regarding the lighting issues there's 334 00:28:27,57 --> 00:28:31,54 a little bit different situation out it but no because they have athletic field 335 00:28:31,55 --> 00:28:37,50 lighting whereas this is going to be really underneath the structure downcast So 336 00:28:37,51 --> 00:28:37,71 there is 337 00:28:37,72 --> 00:28:41,99 a little bit different issues here with the lighting on this on this site and also 338 00:28:42,00 --> 00:28:47,07 more typical parking lot lighting on this site. As far as the noise issues I 339 00:28:47,08 --> 00:28:51,36 haven't I'm not aware of too many concerns our staff actually does attend the 340 00:28:51,37 --> 00:28:53,79 meetings with the neighborhood and builds 341 00:28:53,80 --> 00:28:58,17 a MARGARET And so most of the issuing is really talking about what the schedules 342 00:28:58,18 --> 00:29:01,96 will be you know kind of just working with the neighborhood to give them advance 343 00:29:01,97 --> 00:29:06,77 notice I'm not aware of too many concerns there were some initial at the start up 344 00:29:06,82 --> 00:29:09,90 if you will some issues that we had to address but I think it's been running 345 00:29:09,94 --> 00:29:15,47 relatively smoothly since then and in the questions. 346 00:29:17,57 --> 00:29:22,90 I think before we open the public hearing maybe we could have Jason come up or or 347 00:29:22,91 --> 00:29:29,79 go over to Gary is and could address some of these questions 348 00:29:29,80 --> 00:29:34,87 that have been asked it's probably only about half the questions that will be asked 349 00:29:34,88 --> 00:29:35,62 by the council. 350 00:29:46,54 --> 00:29:47,72 Commiseration Sure thank you for 351 00:29:47,76 --> 00:29:51,34 a kind of go through in order as they were asked if that's OK and if you have any 352 00:29:51,35 --> 00:29:55,03 follow up questions to Frieda to jump in there in regards to the first question 353 00:29:55,04 --> 00:29:58,92 besides other you suicides ice just give kind of you a timetable of 354 00:29:58,93 --> 00:30:03,29 a year round operation we propose carrying ice from mid October through mid March 355 00:30:03,36 --> 00:30:08,72 and by ice that means hockey open skate open hockey figure skating any sort of ice 356 00:30:08,73 --> 00:30:13,32 time to type of activity would be welcome other groom wall etc anything from that 357 00:30:13,54 --> 00:30:19,09 is is what we're kind of proposing for that matter. For April through early June 358 00:30:19,13 --> 00:30:23,78 the dashboard would stay up an artificial turf would be rolled out so that means of 359 00:30:23,93 --> 00:30:29,30 soccer lacrosse baseball softball football track any sort of means of meeting it 360 00:30:29,31 --> 00:30:32,85 turf field during those months of the year that we normally don't have the access 361 00:30:32,86 --> 00:30:37,03 to real natural turf fields because we're full of water of snow or frost etc This 362 00:30:37,04 --> 00:30:37,37 becomes 363 00:30:37,38 --> 00:30:41,40 a venue that the city has for those groups to be able to use could also use for 364 00:30:41,41 --> 00:30:45,64 walking underneath as far as and in this in the summer time I'm ordering that time 365 00:30:45,65 --> 00:30:49,57 of year just to kind of get out and about in the summer months that June through 366 00:30:49,58 --> 00:30:52,00 September we remove the dashers and it just becomes 367 00:30:52,01 --> 00:30:57,98 a large covered canopy concrete surface so car shows weddings but mitzvahs 368 00:30:58,68 --> 00:31:00,50 vendors there's etc Just because 369 00:31:00,51 --> 00:31:04,35 a large cover of any that's able to be used in rented out for whatever anything 370 00:31:04,36 --> 00:31:08,98 creativity wise even think of really it's there concerts back up for particularly 371 00:31:08,99 --> 00:31:13,35 stuff like that and you're back to October so it's going to be your own synopsis of 372 00:31:13,36 --> 00:31:19,63 what can be used in there besides just ice and the questions in that parking as 373 00:31:19,64 --> 00:31:25,76 Eventually that we book. Thank you just so I understand this better one when you 374 00:31:25,77 --> 00:31:32,15 have hockey and recreational skating are they separate from one another. So that 375 00:31:32,16 --> 00:31:35,83 the skaters aren't adding the HOCKEY Yeah yeah maybe two separate activities you 376 00:31:35,84 --> 00:31:39,02 know up and skate would be no pucks no sticks so you're just out there leisurely 377 00:31:39,03 --> 00:31:40,13 skating from 378 00:31:40,14 --> 00:31:44,30 a figure skating come first but if we do have what we what we call development lies 379 00:31:44,31 --> 00:31:47,16 which is for like more of your pros or your higher and skaters that tele be 380 00:31:47,17 --> 00:31:49,59 exclusive to them and then you're up in hockey would be 381 00:31:49,60 --> 00:31:54,42 a obvious again specifically assigned to that from an open hockey perspective but 382 00:31:54,43 --> 00:31:58,56 also then for an hour rental per se like we do inside those would be wanted on the 383 00:31:58,57 --> 00:32:02,18 hour like we typically do for the indoor inks and then if I could just follow up 384 00:32:02,19 --> 00:32:07,82 with one more question what skating facilities in the current rec center we have to 385 00:32:07,83 --> 00:32:11,55 endure sheets of ice inside the correct center refrigerated that are operated your 386 00:32:11,56 --> 00:32:17,64 own and do you expect those to be used in the same way their use now do you expect 387 00:32:17,65 --> 00:32:24,18 the new facility to take pressure off those two. Rings and doors I'm just wondering 388 00:32:24,19 --> 00:32:28,78 what how you see this falling into place the new rink we're mostly going to 389 00:32:28,79 --> 00:32:29,10 function as 390 00:32:29,11 --> 00:32:32,52 a practice facility there would be as much game so it's it's not going to take any 391 00:32:32,53 --> 00:32:33,24 pressure off we've 392 00:32:33,25 --> 00:32:36,73 a very vibrant and healthy hockey association and along with the device schools 393 00:32:36,74 --> 00:32:41,12 that's rent most if not all of our time in the wintertime so it is it's not going 394 00:32:41,13 --> 00:32:44,22 to take me to pressure off but it's going to bite is an opportunity as the hockey 395 00:32:44,23 --> 00:32:47,82 association was the one that came to us with this initiative saying that we 396 00:32:47,86 --> 00:32:51,43 purchase it up to about three hundred dollars of ice outside of the city during 397 00:32:51,44 --> 00:32:54,92 their peak season this allows them to keep all of their dollars and all their 398 00:32:54,93 --> 00:32:58,38 skaters in the city of St Louis Park and that was an issue that they brought to us 399 00:32:58,39 --> 00:33:01,64 saying will will contribute not get to that little bit more as far as contribution 400 00:33:01,65 --> 00:33:04,88 purposes but they came to us with the driving factor of getting this facility go 401 00:33:04,89 --> 00:33:11,67 and thank you. Parking as is very much we believe we 402 00:33:11,68 --> 00:33:15,75 have adequate parking there are we are always those handful of answer of the year 403 00:33:16,01 --> 00:33:21,47 that require the overflow parking will do our best to not schedule as many of those 404 00:33:21,48 --> 00:33:24,80 events as possible again it's on us to make sure that there's not also stuff going 405 00:33:24,81 --> 00:33:27,13 on in the bank or room other activities that will park such 406 00:33:27,14 --> 00:33:30,03 a for this matter so but we know there are those a couple of N.C. 407 00:33:30,04 --> 00:33:32,93 Or you referenced the holiday hockey term and that's obviously one of those ones 408 00:33:32,94 --> 00:33:36,44 that comes up every year but we'll do our best we feel we do have enough space is 409 00:33:36,45 --> 00:33:40,79 adequate This piece is going to mention before is mostly going to be practice so 410 00:33:40,80 --> 00:33:44,50 for majority of the application and you see around that thirty eight stalls that 411 00:33:44,51 --> 00:33:48,29 reading is going to be sufficient is what we expect do you ever have officers 412 00:33:48,30 --> 00:33:51,72 directing traffic we do and we do plan and we work with our with P.D. 413 00:33:51,73 --> 00:33:55,51 On that to basically have signs out with officers on hand so we're not having 414 00:33:55,52 --> 00:33:58,35 people parking Firelands have to so absolutely they are aware of those special 415 00:33:58,36 --> 00:34:04,72 events so that we can basically not be reactive or proactive hours of operation 416 00:34:04,73 --> 00:34:07,52 right now we're not looking for any variances outside of the current noise or 417 00:34:07,53 --> 00:34:11,10 lighting restrictions so that said leave ten and eleven o'clock so right now we'd 418 00:34:11,11 --> 00:34:14,37 fall within that we're not looking for any other variance from that so that's we 419 00:34:14,38 --> 00:34:17,79 should be fine for that. P.A. 420 00:34:18,04 --> 00:34:23,78 And. The direction of that thing that seems to be on of the canopy and again will 421 00:34:23,82 --> 00:34:27,06 make sure that we're very in tune with what's going on with neighbors and not 422 00:34:27,07 --> 00:34:27,71 upsetting that from 423 00:34:27,72 --> 00:34:31,35 a from our perspective but again it's mostly practice so there's not usually 424 00:34:31,36 --> 00:34:35,96 a lot of P A announcing going on for practices if anything it might be skating or 425 00:34:35,97 --> 00:34:39,74 whistle per se that's going on but again we may have those opportunities we do have 426 00:34:39,75 --> 00:34:43,06 a couple special events here from an ice perspective that you know if it's 427 00:34:43,07 --> 00:34:45,52 a game and stuff like that and we'll work to make sure that we're doing 428 00:34:45,53 --> 00:34:48,13 notifications to neighborhoods around at this ng hey we have 429 00:34:48,14 --> 00:34:52,06 a special event it's going to require some additional noise outside of the norm but 430 00:34:52,07 --> 00:34:52,66 really giving you 431 00:34:52,67 --> 00:34:59,60 a heads up that. The fabric as far as light penetration. I can 432 00:34:59,61 --> 00:35:04,32 bring this up or. My other assistant here my boss been doing this up this is this 433 00:35:04,33 --> 00:35:07,68 of us sample of what it is it's basically tough on what the Metrodome roof is made 434 00:35:07,69 --> 00:35:08,66 out of there's about 435 00:35:08,67 --> 00:35:12,56 a three percent light penetration going through that and the reason for as we said 436 00:35:12,57 --> 00:35:17,04 that as Gary mentioned it's the idea is the intent is to to slang from the season 437 00:35:17,08 --> 00:35:21,35 with the sun being the biggest deterrent from ice once you get really past February 438 00:35:21,36 --> 00:35:22,74 so there's a little bit of 439 00:35:22,75 --> 00:35:25,43 a light allowed through there so we won't need any lights on during the day but 440 00:35:25,44 --> 00:35:28,45 obviously at night time we're certainly going to have some lights on for that 441 00:35:28,46 --> 00:35:32,61 perspective lighting L.E.D.S. 442 00:35:32,62 --> 00:35:36,32 Are being proposed for all the facilities far as what's included for that so we did 443 00:35:36,33 --> 00:35:40,35 say that initiative for me making sure that we're we're standing and being on the 444 00:35:40,36 --> 00:35:46,00 forefront. To keep bill is all certainly mention that to making sure that if we can 445 00:35:46,09 --> 00:35:49,39 stop for that or include for that as far as including that oil will talk with are 446 00:35:49,40 --> 00:35:52,41 going to see the means of being able to at least prepping for that but right now 447 00:35:52,42 --> 00:35:53,95 there's nothing the design addressing that. 448 00:36:00,94 --> 00:36:03,79 The opportunities for Operation I can imagine those but it just again it's kind of 449 00:36:03,80 --> 00:36:08,85 the year round recreational facility I mean hockey being the driver from October 450 00:36:08,86 --> 00:36:09,77 through March but there's 451 00:36:09,78 --> 00:36:12,52 a really anything in any everything that you can think of that would need that 452 00:36:12,53 --> 00:36:16,21 large cover Dr venue which currently isn't any of the city facility inventories 453 00:36:16,83 --> 00:36:22,63 This provides that option for you dissing creativity. The brick wall between the 454 00:36:22,67 --> 00:36:24,12 there that's on there that's actually 455 00:36:24,51 --> 00:36:30,02 a brick wall basically just ending the building is certainly an opportunity to put 456 00:36:30,03 --> 00:36:32,03 a logo or a title or potentially of 457 00:36:32,04 --> 00:36:36,11 a future public art etc That's an opportunity for that but that's basically as Gary 458 00:36:36,12 --> 00:36:39,56 mentioned blocking the top of the plaza and then it's just the end of the locker 459 00:36:39,57 --> 00:36:46,41 room hall in the bottom lower level. Direct access to the to the 460 00:36:46,42 --> 00:36:50,04 parking lot to the pool and fortunately it's not that's just beside the emergency 461 00:36:50,05 --> 00:36:53,66 gate stays and access that there's no means of public entrance from that corner of 462 00:36:53,67 --> 00:36:56,37 the of the parking lot. It is 463 00:36:56,38 --> 00:37:00,31 a refrigerated slab so basically it is coiled we are replacing the refrigeration 464 00:37:00,32 --> 00:37:04,11 system inside the rec center so this is the opportunity that we felt was kind of 465 00:37:04,15 --> 00:37:07,42 a when when we took advantage of the refrigeration replacement to allow for the 466 00:37:07,43 --> 00:37:12,29 expansion of this refrigerated slab so that allows for the operation of that 467 00:37:12,30 --> 00:37:16,48 October through mid March kind of operation and presumably that new system will be 468 00:37:16,62 --> 00:37:20,77 much more highly efficient yes from the fact that we have to work early on our 469 00:37:20,78 --> 00:37:24,75 twenty two and that is being stopped production in two thousand and twenty so to be 470 00:37:24,76 --> 00:37:30,03 ammonia. This is them in the West is the most efficient system you can have but 471 00:37:30,04 --> 00:37:33,19 it's run by our twenty two So unfortunately it won't be as efficient at least one 472 00:37:33,20 --> 00:37:38,32 of them the Easter ink will certainly be much more efficient but if we are required 473 00:37:38,33 --> 00:37:41,99 to change so it's one of those things necessary evil but it will function out of 474 00:37:42,00 --> 00:37:45,77 three fifths of potentially three if all three gets get built of some efficiencies 475 00:37:45,78 --> 00:37:50,95 of having one system versus two or three The boards are not permanent they would 476 00:37:50,96 --> 00:37:55,35 come out as I mentioned after that kind of that may if she's in want to turf gets 477 00:37:55,36 --> 00:38:01,90 rolled up. The rink is that great with everything so this entire plaza area. That 478 00:38:01,91 --> 00:38:06,23 fire firing is all at one one service one level there's no trip has or there were 479 00:38:06,24 --> 00:38:12,91 say in I think that was it. Actually no. Commission 480 00:38:12,92 --> 00:38:18,29 judgments What is the cost of the project top the total cost to build the project 481 00:38:18,30 --> 00:38:19,70 what's the cost to be delayed 482 00:38:19,71 --> 00:38:25,74 a system where we had was five point nine million case OK five point nine and then 483 00:38:25,78 --> 00:38:32,00 the cost to maintain it and then to have estimated cost to maintain it and then. 484 00:38:33,23 --> 00:38:38,40 What is the share of the city in tax dollars for this the performer that we put 485 00:38:38,41 --> 00:38:40,14 together in proposed the council is basically 486 00:38:40,15 --> 00:38:42,26 a break even and that was about forty five thousand dollars 487 00:38:42,27 --> 00:38:45,12 a year in operating revenue and forty five thousand dollars 488 00:38:45,13 --> 00:38:47,47 a year in operating expenses and that was 489 00:38:47,48 --> 00:38:52,14 a pretty conservative approach from our opportunity to generate revenue so from an 490 00:38:52,15 --> 00:38:56,17 operational cost perspective we think we're pretty close we did use information 491 00:38:56,18 --> 00:38:58,30 from a performer that had done a had put together for 492 00:38:58,31 --> 00:39:00,53 a similar outdoor system so it got somewhat of 493 00:39:00,54 --> 00:39:03,53 a baseline from an operational perspective but from 494 00:39:03,54 --> 00:39:06,49 a revenue generation perspective we were very conservative with basically putting 495 00:39:06,50 --> 00:39:10,69 our numbers forward. Cost of five point nine million as I mentioned the Hockey 496 00:39:10,70 --> 00:39:14,18 Association is contributing one point five million over the course of the next ten 497 00:39:14,19 --> 00:39:15,62 years with 498 00:39:15,63 --> 00:39:23,46 a contribution made every year from that what was your last one I'm sorry it 499 00:39:23,47 --> 00:39:30,21 was all right OK thank you and if you're feeling Thank you Mr Chair and again if I 500 00:39:30,22 --> 00:39:36,47 missed this in the presentation I apologize. Can we talk about winter for 501 00:39:36,48 --> 00:39:41,26 a minute and and you know hockey rinks being open on both sides they can get pretty 502 00:39:41,27 --> 00:39:46,78 cold what what happens in the dead of winter when it's really cold. We're proposing 503 00:39:46,79 --> 00:39:49,42 operating it and kind of what we would use as more of 504 00:39:49,43 --> 00:39:52,64 a litmus is what we use for outdoor rinks So if somebody would have it rented per 505 00:39:52,65 --> 00:39:53,98 se and it's twenty five 506 00:39:53,99 --> 00:39:58,23 a lot we're not going to make them use it or charge them if they wouldn't show up 507 00:39:58,24 --> 00:40:01,61 which we would do inside if you don't show up and you want the ice you can charge 508 00:40:01,62 --> 00:40:05,67 for it in this instance we basically say if it falls within our outer ring 509 00:40:05,68 --> 00:40:06,36 guidelines of B. 510 00:40:06,37 --> 00:40:10,02 Of being closed if you want to use it great but if you don't want to you're not 511 00:40:10,03 --> 00:40:12,73 being forced to use it but it is an outdoor rink it is kind of back to the 512 00:40:12,74 --> 00:40:14,87 traditional outdoor hockey you so that is 513 00:40:15,51 --> 00:40:18,78 a part of that being outside of the elements hence the reason for the canopy to 514 00:40:18,79 --> 00:40:22,48 keep the snow and ice off as much as we can as well as the sun but again it's an 515 00:40:22,49 --> 00:40:23,53 outside there's a little bit of 516 00:40:23,54 --> 00:40:27,69 a different experience from the inside that's going to our marketing it expect to 517 00:40:27,70 --> 00:40:31,98 have any heaters available just for people sitting there on the bleachers who are 518 00:40:32,15 --> 00:40:38,33 some way that really cold they could be there the outdoor fireplace is 519 00:40:38,34 --> 00:40:41,81 a bit alternate And if that does get included That's about the only option there is 520 00:40:41,82 --> 00:40:45,56 access to the upper level to get what was the old entrance to the rec center back 521 00:40:45,57 --> 00:40:48,69 in the seventy's and eighty's that is still there so you can have 522 00:40:48,70 --> 00:40:51,41 a means of getting in there but nothing technically from 523 00:40:51,42 --> 00:40:54,99 a heater perspective outside underneath bleachers or in benches is not included at 524 00:40:55,00 --> 00:41:00,17 this time and when when is the expectation that this will be complete if everything 525 00:41:00,18 --> 00:41:03,58 kind of goes to plan the current timeline is this would be open in October of two 526 00:41:03,59 --> 00:41:05,94 thousand and sixteen so whatever you're a little over 527 00:41:05,95 --> 00:41:12,03 a year Mr Chair Mr Carver. Jason 528 00:41:12,98 --> 00:41:19,59 some questions about the revenue generation roughly what percentage of the time do 529 00:41:19,60 --> 00:41:25,63 you expect that this is going to be reserved for revenue generating rentals 530 00:41:26,36 --> 00:41:33,20 versus available for open public skating open public use where 531 00:41:33,25 --> 00:41:39,97 there's no act where he park resident can come in and use the facility without 532 00:41:39,98 --> 00:41:44,51 needing to pay for it. What we have proposed the council that the priority of the 533 00:41:44,52 --> 00:41:48,61 ice is actually the latter those two so the public skates the open seats the open 534 00:41:48,62 --> 00:41:52,21 hockey that would take precedence over the the rentals for 535 00:41:52,22 --> 00:41:57,16 a percentage basis I'd say you know whether that's three out of the five weekdays 536 00:41:57,17 --> 00:42:01,19 and then for sure Saturdays and Sundays there be a time frames or times 537 00:42:01,20 --> 00:42:04,88 a lot of in there for that specific operation the rest of it that would fall to 538 00:42:04,89 --> 00:42:08,20 whatever's available for at the hockey association would say precedent for that 539 00:42:08,21 --> 00:42:11,24 through their contribution and everything else the kind of all of them from 540 00:42:11,25 --> 00:42:18,13 a rental perspective. So interprete in what I think I heard is 541 00:42:18,14 --> 00:42:21,09 that if there is an opportunity to ranted on 542 00:42:21,10 --> 00:42:27,39 a reserved and longer term schedule you are going to rent that hit and then 543 00:42:27,72 --> 00:42:34,24 with the exception of some specific things like it like open skate time from no 544 00:42:34,25 --> 00:42:39,98 none Sunday until six on Sunday and it would be non rental time that just becomes 545 00:42:39,99 --> 00:42:42,12 available to the citizens is that 546 00:42:42,13 --> 00:42:46,11 a fairly good interpretation correct how I would interpret or how I propose to 547 00:42:46,12 --> 00:42:47,85 propose to look at it is we put 548 00:42:47,86 --> 00:42:52,44 a schedule together in September for how the hall the open skates and open obvious 549 00:42:52,45 --> 00:42:56,51 the public opportunities for say would be available so those would all be booked 550 00:42:56,52 --> 00:42:59,74 out from basically October through the end of the season though so those would all 551 00:42:59,75 --> 00:43:04,52 be known ahead of time and available for public use after that the hockey sources 552 00:43:04,53 --> 00:43:08,19 should come online take their hours per se and they're thinking about one hundred 553 00:43:08,20 --> 00:43:11,98 fifty hours is what they look to purchase and the rest of it will become available 554 00:43:11,99 --> 00:43:17,25 to rent or if it's dead time it's open for use per se. Would there be 555 00:43:17,26 --> 00:43:23,25 a differential in the rental on this assuming that it's more expensive to operate 556 00:43:23,26 --> 00:43:24,42 and strength for 557 00:43:24,43 --> 00:43:31,30 a period of time than it is to operate an open artificial turf type of 558 00:43:31,34 --> 00:43:33,95 situation or a just 559 00:43:33,96 --> 00:43:40,81 a concrete base situation so therefore let's say that for rent to love. 560 00:43:41,95 --> 00:43:45,56 Us or softball or soccer might be X. 561 00:43:45,57 --> 00:43:50,86 Dollars that they rental for an ice rink might be two X. 562 00:43:50,87 --> 00:43:56,26 Dollars someone that type of thing or is everybody going to have to bear the same 563 00:43:56,27 --> 00:44:00,66 cost free regardless of what the operating costs are there would be 564 00:44:00,67 --> 00:44:04,06 a cause appropriate to whatever you mean used for that season so there be 565 00:44:04,07 --> 00:44:07,73 a nice rate fee there'd be a turfy and then there'd be basically 566 00:44:07,74 --> 00:44:11,06 a dry floor fees would be three type of fees would be epical depending upon the 567 00:44:11,07 --> 00:44:15,87 season OK thank you they got over it very well one more question I thought I heard 568 00:44:15,88 --> 00:44:21,31 you some say something about access from the parking lot and it sounded as if it 569 00:44:21,32 --> 00:44:25,62 were not going to be available Could you clarify that for me please the question 570 00:44:25,63 --> 00:44:30,26 was Was it will be access to the to the pool for patrons from the new parking lot 571 00:44:30,27 --> 00:44:34,73 that's being proposed the answer is no the pool entrance access is still through 572 00:44:34,74 --> 00:44:39,64 their front door and through the building but but they would be able to walk into 573 00:44:39,65 --> 00:44:44,13 the building to get corridor access and then go through the normal pool access 574 00:44:44,14 --> 00:44:47,38 correct pool Access does not change what the current operation is and there is 575 00:44:47,39 --> 00:44:50,74 still access through the front door to get to this building whether it be the 576 00:44:50,75 --> 00:44:55,63 second level Plaza or the first floor locker rooms and right in likewise access 577 00:44:55,64 --> 00:45:00,10 from this building to get over to the front door correct so I'm OK Thank you. 578 00:45:02,75 --> 00:45:09,20 So just one follow up on the field the Hockey Association is is contributing 579 00:45:09,52 --> 00:45:13,69 one point five million dollars And they they therefore will get 580 00:45:13,70 --> 00:45:15,18 a certain number of hours 581 00:45:15,65 --> 00:45:22,54 a year usage that that they don't have to pay for. All that work they've 582 00:45:22,55 --> 00:45:28,03 requested priority ice up to and they're required to basically purchase one hundred 583 00:45:28,04 --> 00:45:32,53 fifty hours for the for the first ten years of operation at minus whatever the 584 00:45:32,54 --> 00:45:36,25 going rate is a five dollars so see if we come up a rate which we haven't gotten 585 00:45:36,26 --> 00:45:40,40 a rate approval yet of one hundred dollars an hour the hockey so seasons rate in 586 00:45:40,54 --> 00:45:44,42 return for their contribution would be ninety five dollars so that's how that would 587 00:45:44,43 --> 00:45:47,88 work well thank you very much Jason. 588 00:45:52,19 --> 00:45:57,71 I'm sorry going back to the outdoor covered area did was this requested by the 589 00:45:57,72 --> 00:46:03,30 hockey associations I mean did you consider both indoor and outdoor additions and 590 00:46:03,31 --> 00:46:10,15 did the hockey players want the outdoor. If it was just the the idea of they wanted 591 00:46:10,16 --> 00:46:11,36 a second or an art 592 00:46:11,37 --> 00:46:15,91 a third sheet or another sheet of operational license to be able to operate it the 593 00:46:15,92 --> 00:46:19,45 ice low quality of an enduring without having to put the walls up to kind of get 594 00:46:19,46 --> 00:46:23,79 the best of both worlds of old old hockey picking up and going over the park type 595 00:46:23,80 --> 00:46:27,25 hockey but also getting the capability of making sure that the ice quality is of 596 00:46:27,30 --> 00:46:31,32 what their expectation is an indoor sheet so that in the roof also allows obviously 597 00:46:31,33 --> 00:46:34,57 the winter elements is a huge deterrent for quality ice so it's kind of 598 00:46:34,58 --> 00:46:38,78 a multitude of things reasonings of why that why it's covered and why it isn't 599 00:46:38,79 --> 00:46:43,52 completely enclosed We thought the streetscape on this was second to none as far as 600 00:46:43,53 --> 00:46:45,26 if you're driving on thirty six and he would stick 601 00:46:45,27 --> 00:46:47,47 a look at this is some of the rendering show so there's 602 00:46:47,48 --> 00:46:50,49 a lot of neat unique creativity that would involve that why we chose the way it 603 00:46:50,50 --> 00:46:55,88 looks and as you interacted with them at the pleased with how it is that they want 604 00:46:55,89 --> 00:47:00,61 indoor they happy with this let reaction they were very pleased that they were 605 00:47:00,62 --> 00:47:04,15 involved in that initial stages of design to kind of help us get more of their 606 00:47:04,16 --> 00:47:07,58 thoughts on paper to kind of pull this to words to be so absolutely very much 607 00:47:07,59 --> 00:47:14,04 involved. OK if there are no other questions 608 00:47:16,01 --> 00:47:22,61 I will open the public hearing and ask if there is anyone here who would like to 609 00:47:22,62 --> 00:47:29,14 address the commission on this item the item being just the 610 00:47:29,15 --> 00:47:34,98 transport. Of soil from the site in order to construct the project 611 00:47:39,92 --> 00:47:44,31 seeing no I will close the public hearing. Then open it up for 612 00:47:44,32 --> 00:47:50,50 a discussion of much the commissioners and. 613 00:47:51,54 --> 00:47:52,69 I don't know if there is much more of 614 00:47:52,70 --> 00:47:58,73 a scouse. Assert first as her chance or only chance to find out more about I think 615 00:47:58,74 --> 00:48:01,73 that's correct yes oh well there was very much that they had 616 00:48:01,74 --> 00:48:08,68 a. Study session but. A comment that well one I think the proposed 617 00:48:08,86 --> 00:48:12,93 route and everything for the transportation of soil is fine I don't have any issues 618 00:48:12,94 --> 00:48:18,99 with that and. Just knowing how. 619 00:48:21,34 --> 00:48:27,65 Aggressive or successful that are. Basically travelers 620 00:48:28,08 --> 00:48:34,39 visitors and travelers bureau has been the. Scene of this park I think this is 621 00:48:34,76 --> 00:48:39,25 quite an amenity that will bring in quite I mean I look at it for year round use 622 00:48:39,69 --> 00:48:42,82 and it's fairly unique and I think it provides 623 00:48:42,83 --> 00:48:48,83 a great opportunity and I see this getting very heavy use all year round I mean. 624 00:48:50,09 --> 00:48:51,53 And I think we took 625 00:48:51,54 --> 00:48:56,94 a look at you know you think it's going to be bogus conservatively dollar neutral. 626 00:48:58,09 --> 00:49:02,57 You know but when you look at the groups coming into St Louis Park stand seeing 627 00:49:02,58 --> 00:49:09,44 this park you know at our hotels eating at our restaurants shopping I think it is 628 00:49:09,70 --> 00:49:14,17 a very nice amenity to bring to say I was far and I think it's very exciting and 629 00:49:14,97 --> 00:49:15,67 with that I'll make 630 00:49:15,68 --> 00:49:20,25 a motion to recommend approval of the Commission to use per match subject to 631 00:49:20,26 --> 00:49:26,73 conditions by staff second OK it's been moved and seconded 632 00:49:27,79 --> 00:49:33,95 the staff recommendation all those in favor say aye. Opposed thank you very much 633 00:49:34,18 --> 00:49:40,70 Jason Gary I will go along I have one other question 634 00:49:40,97 --> 00:49:46,09 yes or traffic study done I know you're only talking about thirty six cars. 635 00:49:48,03 --> 00:49:54,47 Interesting thank you Item B. 636 00:49:54,48 --> 00:49:56,82 Is a public hearing 637 00:49:57,61 --> 00:50:04,20 a major amendment to the Shoreham P U D to correct the 638 00:50:04,21 --> 00:50:10,49 text error. Right thank you Mr Chair commissioners for your consideration is an 639 00:50:10,50 --> 00:50:15,56 amendment to the shore planned unit development or P U D ordinance says in the 640 00:50:15,57 --> 00:50:22,56 south east portion of the city it addresses formally address thirty nine zero 641 00:50:22,57 --> 00:50:26,08 seven and thirty nine fifteen I was seven thirty nine fourteen and thirty nine 642 00:50:26,09 --> 00:50:29,41 eighteen West thirty first Street and thirty thirty one cool in her state of New 643 00:50:29,87 --> 00:50:34,14 the applicant is the city of St Louis Park as city staff are initiating this 644 00:50:34,15 --> 00:50:37,39 amendment to correct the text error as 645 00:50:37,40 --> 00:50:43,47 a reminder So here's the location this site is adjacent to France Avenue and the 646 00:50:43,48 --> 00:50:48,69 missile boundary with the city of Minneapolis Francis on the left side of the 647 00:50:48,70 --> 00:50:54,02 property here this view is actually looking to the south so thirty first Street is 648 00:50:54,03 --> 00:50:58,41 at the top of the screen and then county road twenty five to the north of the 649 00:50:58,42 --> 00:51:04,28 property are in this image at the bottom of the screen as part of the approvals of 650 00:51:04,29 --> 00:51:08,64 the Shoreham planned unit development all of the existing buildings are to be 651 00:51:08,96 --> 00:51:10,50 demolished and removed and then 652 00:51:11,08 --> 00:51:18,05 a new development on the site the previous improvers included the rezoning two. 653 00:51:19,08 --> 00:51:24,97 Planned unit development again called the Shoreham the approvals included 654 00:51:24,98 --> 00:51:30,51 a five story mixed use building along county road twenty five frontage road as you 655 00:51:30,52 --> 00:51:32,50 can see here and then 656 00:51:32,54 --> 00:51:36,91 a three story building along West thirty first Street which was to contain only 657 00:51:36,92 --> 00:51:40,84 multiple family residential units. Here's 658 00:51:40,85 --> 00:51:46,36 a site plan to the north is the five storey building with medical office and office 659 00:51:46,40 --> 00:51:51,50 and then residential units as well and then to the south along thirty first Street 660 00:51:51,75 --> 00:51:56,81 was the three story building that was only to contain multiple family residential 661 00:51:56,82 --> 00:52:01,73 units for the purposes of writing the ordinance itself and if you remember the city 662 00:52:01,74 --> 00:52:05,82 recently we did its planned unit development process and so it's 663 00:52:05,83 --> 00:52:08,83 a rezoning into an ordinance for 664 00:52:08,84 --> 00:52:14,63 a specific project in order to make that text as clear as possible related to this 665 00:52:14,64 --> 00:52:21,08 site which has some specific or unique attributes. The site was divided into two 666 00:52:21,09 --> 00:52:25,91 zones to Zone A and soon be Zone A is to the North Zone B. 667 00:52:25,92 --> 00:52:31,53 Is to the south and that division was really to specify where certain uses were 668 00:52:31,54 --> 00:52:36,51 allowed as well as to address specific attributes of the building such as five 669 00:52:36,52 --> 00:52:38,54 stories as the limit at 670 00:52:39,19 --> 00:52:44,05 a long counter row twenty five or in Zone A three storeys was the maximum height 671 00:52:44,06 --> 00:52:50,73 along thirty first Street this is the text in the ordinance as you can see here is 672 00:52:50,74 --> 00:52:50,94 own 673 00:52:50,95 --> 00:52:56,40 a that northern site listed multiple family dwellings only and the mix of uses is 674 00:52:56,41 --> 00:53:02,17 listed in Zone be the minimum before you this evening is to switch the text and 675 00:53:02,21 --> 00:53:06,81 because his own A on the north is actually to have that mix of use is permitted and 676 00:53:06,82 --> 00:53:07,49 Zone B. 677 00:53:07,77 --> 00:53:12,81 Is to be multiple family residential only so the text Amendment is so that the 678 00:53:12,82 --> 00:53:18,75 ordinance reads consistently with the approved development plans which is also what 679 00:53:18,76 --> 00:53:23,29 staff supported in the neighborhood before. Supported and then the Planning 680 00:53:23,30 --> 00:53:28,64 Commission and to the council as well. One other line was the facade requirements 681 00:53:29,59 --> 00:53:30,86 and they reference is own B. 682 00:53:30,86 --> 00:53:32,49 But that's actually Zone A them 683 00:53:32,63 --> 00:53:38,50 a mixed use building so that would be corrected. So the amendment before you this 684 00:53:38,51 --> 00:53:42,45 evening it does not change the previously approved development plans where the 685 00:53:42,78 --> 00:53:47,01 height is on the site and where the use is our what the amendment does is correct 686 00:53:47,02 --> 00:53:51,70 the ordinance text so that it's consistent with the approved development plans 687 00:53:51,99 --> 00:53:57,29 related to the permitted uses on this site and again to provide consistency with 688 00:53:57,30 --> 00:54:00,92 those development plans and then with neighborhood intentions Planning Commission 689 00:54:00,93 --> 00:54:07,47 and city council staff is recommending approval of the shore amendment to correct 690 00:54:07,76 --> 00:54:14,35 an ordinance text ever and be happy to take any questions if your main 691 00:54:14,36 --> 00:54:19,90 questions comments I have one is there 692 00:54:19,91 --> 00:54:26,79 a barrier now at the end of France Avenue. The existing France Avenue 693 00:54:28,93 --> 00:54:35,26 go to the aerial here. The barrier is a natural incline there's quite 694 00:54:35,27 --> 00:54:41,13 a great change from about where this is it was an alley it was vacated as part of 695 00:54:41,14 --> 00:54:45,74 this process and is about where the location for their drive access will be the 696 00:54:45,75 --> 00:54:48,98 parking from that point to thirty first Street is 697 00:54:48,99 --> 00:54:54,45 a great change with vegetation as you see here and that France Avenue will not 698 00:54:54,46 --> 00:54:58,09 connect at Thirty first street as part of this project either so it will just dead 699 00:54:58,10 --> 00:55:00,95 end into a curb and then the hillside will remain there will be 700 00:55:00,96 --> 00:55:06,71 a trail connection. Multi-use for bikes and sidewalks from where the street dead 701 00:55:06,72 --> 00:55:08,71 ends up to thirty first so there won't be 702 00:55:08,72 --> 00:55:11,45 a barrier but there will be occur there will be 703 00:55:11,46 --> 00:55:17,93 a curb and again the great changes is fairly significant. As well as trees and 704 00:55:17,94 --> 00:55:23,42 other vegetation will remain Thank you everyone else 705 00:55:25,94 --> 00:55:27,26 oh OK this is 706 00:55:27,28 --> 00:55:33,14 a public airing open the public hearing seeing no one present to address the 707 00:55:33,15 --> 00:55:37,09 commission on this issue. Closed the public hearing. 708 00:55:40,52 --> 00:55:45,11 And open it up for additional discussion or emotion 709 00:55:49,44 --> 00:55:55,50 we should repeal and thank you I would move the motion. You know second Thank you 710 00:55:56,46 --> 00:56:01,04 all right the staff recommendation has been moved and seconded all those in favor 711 00:56:01,05 --> 00:56:07,73 say aye opposed thank you very much. Is 712 00:56:07,78 --> 00:56:14,37 there any other business this evening yes 713 00:56:14,84 --> 00:56:19,52 if you thank you Mr Chair two point one I just wanted to follow up on Commissioner 714 00:56:19,83 --> 00:56:24,25 Johnson medicines excellent point about an updated traffic study as I recall from 715 00:56:24,26 --> 00:56:29,23 our last study session that is happening and I just think it is really important to 716 00:56:29,24 --> 00:56:34,28 have updated information because we not only have the new center facility put the 717 00:56:34,29 --> 00:56:39,20 proposed multifamily building in we've already talked about the traffic issues so I 718 00:56:39,21 --> 00:56:44,84 think the better information we have the better decisions we can meet. And then the 719 00:56:44,84 --> 00:56:49,59 second question I would just ask Seana do we have any minute time couple of our 720 00:56:49,61 --> 00:56:56,11 bridge update system completion. I want to start with one follow up on three 721 00:56:56,61 --> 00:57:02,87 if you want question is presumably what we'll find out soon I guess 722 00:57:03,58 --> 00:57:09,77 the traffic study will not sort of gold this far down thirty six three would be my 723 00:57:09,78 --> 00:57:16,60 guess correct. Mr Chair and the. Traffic 724 00:57:16,61 --> 00:57:19,92 study that is being discussed is an extension of 725 00:57:19,93 --> 00:57:25,71 a traffic study that was done first of all by the Bridgewater bank proposal by 726 00:57:25,72 --> 00:57:31,28 demeaning and development at the corner of thirty six Excelsior Boulevard in 727 00:57:31,29 --> 00:57:38,09 Monterey on the northeast corner and that. That study 728 00:57:38,30 --> 00:57:42,34 stretched up to the intersection of thirty six than the half Street and Monterey 729 00:57:42,35 --> 00:57:47,39 stood No it did not go beyond that. For the scope of this project. 730 00:57:49,92 --> 00:57:54,68 If I could then address the second second point I don't know I'm not familiar right 731 00:57:54,69 --> 00:57:59,13 now with the updates on the talk of our project would refer you to either the city 732 00:57:59,14 --> 00:58:03,04 of St Louis parks website or the men that website which has project updates thank 733 00:58:03,05 --> 00:58:06,44 you so much any communications 734 00:58:10,02 --> 00:58:16,20 Yes. Just to just briefly I want to mention that our September second Planning 735 00:58:16,21 --> 00:58:19,78 Commission meeting will be cancelled we do not have applications for that meeting. 736 00:58:20,87 --> 00:58:25,27 And bright know the September sixteenth Planning Commission is shaping up to be 737 00:58:25,28 --> 00:58:30,94 a busy night we have it it looks like at least four applications that will be on 738 00:58:30,95 --> 00:58:36,25 that on that evening. Still remains to be seen these applications have just been 739 00:58:36,26 --> 00:58:37,68 received and want to take 740 00:58:37,69 --> 00:58:41,61 a look to make sure they're complete but right now it looks like we have four 741 00:58:41,62 --> 00:58:45,80 different applications that will be on your agenda that evening OK. 742 00:58:48,49 --> 00:58:55,08 Can you give us an overview of what they are just briefly as. There is. 743 00:58:56,30 --> 00:58:59,44 Elmwood West is a subdivision request 744 00:58:59,45 --> 00:59:05,67 a pulmonary and final plat with variances to the subdivision ordinance It's located 745 00:59:05,68 --> 00:59:10,96 at ninety three zero one West Franklin Street near the West with nature center area 746 00:59:11,35 --> 00:59:16,05 kind of west of West with nature center and flag Avenue in Franklin and feel like 747 00:59:16,09 --> 00:59:16,35 it's 748 00:59:16,36 --> 00:59:22,30 a single family house lot that is the applicant is seeking to sub divide that into 749 00:59:22,31 --> 00:59:27,25 three lots. In addition there's 750 00:59:27,26 --> 00:59:33,47 a conditional use permanent that we're expecting. To forty nine eleven Excelsior 751 00:59:33,48 --> 00:59:40,01 Boulevard this is at the south east corner of Quentin and Excelsior Boulevard. 752 00:59:41,36 --> 00:59:45,10 Assurance sure and Williams paint stores proposed in that say to tear down of the 753 00:59:45,11 --> 00:59:50,55 existing building and rebuild. In addition there's 754 00:59:50,59 --> 00:59:53,59 a comprehensive plan and 755 00:59:53,60 --> 01:00:00,15 a resigning. Conference plan amendment map amendment and a wreath of 756 01:00:00,16 --> 01:00:04,74 a property at thirty six zero one Huntington Avenue Some people have referred to it 757 01:00:04,75 --> 01:00:06,08 as the waiting wheel house it's 758 01:00:06,09 --> 01:00:11,06 a dark brown house on the southeast corner of Huntington and Excelsior Boulevard 759 01:00:11,67 --> 01:00:14,76 the proposal there is to go from a residential zoning to 760 01:00:14,77 --> 01:00:21,65 a commercial zoning in addition there's an application for Arlington roll 761 01:00:21,66 --> 01:00:26,66 West this is a such as is a development on the southwest corner of Why's that 762 01:00:26,67 --> 01:00:31,94 a bill of art in Texas Ave It's an apartment development total of thirty four units 763 01:00:31,95 --> 01:00:37,58 that's proposed by Melrose development neighborhood meeting was held. For that 764 01:00:37,59 --> 01:00:43,39 project last week. Well obviously the scheduling 765 01:00:44,42 --> 01:00:49,01 neighborhood medians relayed to these other applications. Once we know that they're 766 01:00:49,02 --> 01:00:52,73 complete That's the list.